What class would make Voyager if you could change it?

alexmann · Post by **alexmann** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:48 pm

What do you people think?

Griffin · Post by **Griffin** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:56 pm

Would there be any point of Voyager being a different class from an OU perspective? I don't think so, It may as well be an intrepid.

shran · Post by **shran** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:17 pm

Even if the writers didn't change, it would give them an extra long time to last on their own supplies without needing to resort to other means of refuelling. At the same time their weapons capacity and technological edge would change, as well as the travelling speed. Also, these ships have different functions and would give different approaches to the situations at hand. If the ship was an akira for example, I'd doubt the captain would be as science and exploration oriented as Janeway was. Then the stops at every nebula and diversion would be occurring fewer.

alexmann · Post by **alexmann** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:18 pm

I just think that Voyager would have been MUCH cooler as a sov or prometheus

alexmann · Post by **alexmann** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:24 pm

shran wrote:Even if the writers didn't change, it would give them an extra long time to last on their own supplies without needing to resort to other means of refuelling. At the same time their weapons capacity and technological edge would change, as well as the travelling speed. Also, these ships have different functions and would give different approaches to the situations at hand. If the ship was an akira for example, I'd doubt the captain would be as science and exploration oriented as Janeway was. Then the stops at every nebula and diversion would be occurring fewer.

Well Said!

shran · Post by **shran** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:59 pm

OK, given the situation as of Caretaker I saw several factors: An increase of hostile activity around Deep Space Nine, coming from factions such as the Cardassians, the Dominion and the Maquis.
The Cardassians have been increasing their activities for quite some time and are capable of military action against the Federation when needed, albeit in a limited capacity. Still, they are a force to be reckoned with.
The Dominion have vast resources held in check only by the huge distance from the Alpha quadrant and the bottleneck that is the wormhole.
The Maquis were capable of hijacking a rather advanced Federation prototype, the Defiant. This proves that the Maquis can project quite some force in the area if they put their resources to it.

With such a small area with many anomalies and local powers in conflict with each other, a decent force is needed to apprehend the Maquis. A lone Intrepid could face Maquis forces, but can easily be captured, as testified by the Kazons, Vidiians and numerous other Delta Quadrant incidents. Starfleet would not want to risk that and given the already tense situation there, a strong defensive force would be needed.

As such, I would send an Akira, being a relatively new model of ship, but already long enough in service to have lost early issues. At the same time, this class has a high capacity to take other vessels along as a carrier and can as such deploy extra craft to extend the scanning area, so more space can be covered in the same time with an affordable loss of accuracy caused by inferior shipboard scanners and shuttles with diminished capabilities.
Furthermore, if this ship would enconter a hostile force, it would be very capable of defending itself and even be able to go on a counter-offensive should the need arise.
It would be logical to have a ship of such specs around DS9 given the situation.

alexmann · Post by **alexmann** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:17 pm

A combat vessel like an Akira would be good but surely a Prometheus would be better? It Kicks butt more

shran · Post by **shran** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:25 pm

alexmann wrote:A combat vessel like an Akira would be good but surely a Prometheus would be better? It Kicks butt more

the Maquis were a novel power and increasing their possibilities quite rapidly, getting better organized by the day and resisting pressure from several sides. They already hijacked one experimental ship that was hideously powerful for her size by federation standards: The Defiant. Now, if a prometheus were to fall in their hands they would be strengthened far more and become a real power to be reckoned with. You don't want that to happen to the force you are trying to defeat. Therefore you send in a reliable force capable of defending itself.

Another point is that the prometheus was in a wholly different sector of space: near the romulan border. There it was already hijacked by Romulans. This demonstrates that the ship si new and untested and should be developped further. You don't send in the state of the art against a minor power when that is not neccesary. The resources dedcated to the mission should be proportional to the objectives and circumstances of the mission to achieve maximum effectiveness with minimal input.

In short: feasibility and common sense.

Please do honour to the aforementioned class name and think about it before putting it on the web instantly.

alexmann · Post by **alexmann** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:43 pm

Ok, on coolness alone though What would you send? I didn't intend this to be a huge war about what type of ship to send, just a discussion about what would look best.

shran · Post by **shran** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:58 pm

alexmann wrote:Ok, on coolness alone though What would you send? I didn't intend this to be a huge war about what type of ship to send, just a discussion about what would look best.

So far, this is a polite discussion by our standards. No insults were traded, this is a comparison of two viewpoints to a question. To bluntly put it, on this board coolness factor would result either in everyone putting forth their personal favourites or a concerted effort to determine the requirements, available resources and the fitting solution to both parameters.

Griffin · Post by **Griffin** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:00 pm

shran wrote:. To bluntly put it, on this board coolness factor would result either in everyone putting forth their personal favourites or a concerted effort to determine the requirements, available resources and the fitting solution to both parameters.

And then, eventually, a disscusion on Cats or meat products, or something.

Reliant121 · Post by **Reliant121** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:36 pm

In many ways, I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped a Galaxy out there for the Maquis situation. While it may as well be a giant space hotel, it's also a much more sophisticated ship in terms of CnC and sensors (testified by the massive quantity of specialist science facilities on board). To deal with small scale terrorists attacks on a relatively small region such as the Badlands where the Maqui were operating, clarity and availability of sensor information is key. The Galaxy's were also damned fast, although not quite as fast as a Intrepid. They also carry more than enough firepower to take on a Maquis ship and could quite comfortably best a Cardie warship in the unlikely event they get pissy.

I think its powerful sensors, powerful weapons fit, high speed (relatively speaking) and supplies for independent operation would make it ideal for the mission; This only stands if its one of those GCS what could actually survive a bit of dust straying within a thousand meters of the ship.

Tholian_Avenger · Post by **Tholian_Avenger** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:39 pm

An Excelsior, an Ambassador, a Nebula, or Akira would have been neato!

I think the Intrepid was chosen to hunt down the Marquis because a smaller ship does not attract much attention, it had a marvelous sensor suite, it has enough weapons to win small fights and to get out of big fights, and it was a new ship which needed to be tasked with difficult assignments.

For other smaller ships I would choose a New Orleans, a Streamrunner, a Norway, a Freedom, a Niagra, a Challenger, a Cheyenne, a Trident, a Springfield, a Shelley, a Miranda, a Constellation, or a Sabre.

I chose an Excelsior, maybe they would have finally got that Transwarp to work.

Captain Picard's Hair · Sat May 28, 2011 7:33 pm

I think the whole point of having a rather small, limited ship be the one to get stuck on the other side of the galaxy is precisely the fact that they have to subsist on limited resources. Perhaps this angle could have been better managed at times (what about VOY couldn't have been?) but the idea is to put them in a bind to generate drama and suspense (OOU, from the production's POV).

In universe, the original mission of Voyager didn't need a big capitol ship but rather a maneuverable one.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat May 28, 2011 7:33 pm

Condan1993 wrote:
shran wrote:. To bluntly put it, on this board coolness factor would result either in everyone putting forth their personal favourites or a concerted effort to determine the requirements, available resources and the fitting solution to both parameters.
And then, eventually, a disscusion on Cats or meat products, or something.

Cats AND meat products, more likely. So, what do you guys think about the TR-116 rifle?

*ahem* yes, anyway... there's no need to discuss refuelling or resupply - remember, Voyager was able to resupply via sorcery and had torpedoes that procreated like rabbits. Prommie would be a no go, as it was still prototypical fairly far into Voyager's journey; i.e., not available for a local mission against a few rebel scum. GCS would likely also be a no-go for the relatively small number of them available and the low-priority, low-visibility of the mission. Remember, the original mission also called for a ship able to navigate the Badlands, so I think an Intrepid was the right way to go. Now, if they could've just skipped that ridiculous variable geometry...

*EDIT* damn simultaneous posts... yeah, like CPH said.