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It is as far as we know in RL - but then again we haven't met any Breen yet in RL either.Captain Seafort wrote:If they're using organic hulls then we can chalk up yet another stupid species - there's a good reason we use metal or ceramic armour to protect organic people, and that's because organic material is far weaker.
It's a friggin' TV show! If we can talk casually about a race of humanoids with no liquid component in their entire physiology, then we can certainly discuss organic components as strong as any known metallurgy.
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So? We haven't got warp drive in RL either. Does this mean we can throw all the laws of physics out the window when it comes to suspension of disbelief? No, we use what we do already know, unless it is otherwise contradicted by canon.It is as far as we know in RL - but then again we haven't met any Breen yet in RL either.
Since the fact that organic ships suck has yet to be contradicted, my point stands.
Except, we have no canon proof that there are such organic materials. Ergo, its a complete leap in logic to assume there are.If we can talk casually about a race of humanoids with no liquid component in their entire physiology, then we can certainly discuss organic components as strong as any known metallurgy.
Exactly how a battle between an organic ship and a metal ship would go.Granite wrote:SPLAT!
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I'm not denying that you might be able to build a ship out of organic compounds, but they'd be far weaker than a conventional ship.
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I'm pretty sure that 'organic components' just means that they use organic-based control systems or something...not that the entire ship is a giant insect or something. Anyway, the hull looks pretty metallic to me...
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True - I'd expect the show to show an organic hull as less angular, more like the Xyrillian ship from Enterprise. The organic components would probably consist of control systems, an onboard mini-ecosphere rather than mechanical life support, etc.
An BTW - if you wanted to apply actual modern physics to 'Treknology, you'd have to invalidate most of canon.
An BTW - if you wanted to apply actual modern physics to 'Treknology, you'd have to invalidate most of canon.
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8472 have the most advanced ships we have seen able to with stand powerful fire power. Thus it would seem organic is better than metal.
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Well, not necessarily. In everything, there are degrees of skillfulness in design...8472 ships might be powerful, and organic, whereas another race's organic designs might be much weaker than an equivalent mechanical design. Take an example; someone might look at spider-silk, and see that it was stronger than metal...and they'd be right. But if they assumed that all organic fibers were better than mechanical ones, and tried to build a ship out of sheep wool, they'd be in for something of a surprise.8472 have the most advanced ships we have seen able to with stand powerful fire power. Thus it would seem organic is better than metal.
The thing that matters in such a case is not whether a ship is organic or mechanical, but how skilfull and advanced the makers were...
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