What class would make Voyager if you could change it?

[alexmann]

That's the thing that DITL seems to most hate about Voyager; the reset button took away what could have been a great part of the storylines (ie, scarce resources). The other thing is Janeway herself.

What about Neelix? I hated Neelix MUCH MUCH more than I Janeway.

[Captain Seafort]

That's the thing that DITL seems to most hate about Voyager; the reset button took away what could have been a great part of the storylines (ie, scarce resources). The other thing is Janeway herself.

Don't forget the transformation of the Borg from an unstoppable, impersonal force of nature to the random mooks sent in to continue the Queen's personal grudge with Janeway.

[alexmann]

That's the thing that DITL seems to most hate about Voyager; the reset button took away what could have been a great part of the storylines (ie, scarce resources). The other thing is Janeway herself.

Don't forget the transformation of the Borg from an unstoppable, impersonal force of nature to the random mooks sent in to continue the Queen's personal grudge with Janeway.

TNG had the Borg as an almost unstoppable force that required an entire fleet and a lot of luck to defeat but VOY just turned them too soft. Take "Endgame", 1 torpedo took out a Cube. WTH?

[Reliant121]

Exactly. That's why we all hate VOY. So much potential but it was squandered time and again.

[alexmann]

It was a great idea just not the best execution of the idea.

[Captain Seafort]

It was a shite execution of the idea. The basic premise was of a lone starship, cut off from repair or resupply, trying to get home, with a crew split down the middle between a bunch of terrorists and the crew that had been sent to arrest them. What we got was the magic end-of-episode reset button, no Starfleet-Maquis tension whatsoever, and a Captain more interested in poking the anomaly-of-the-week than going home. It didn't help that the sole reason they were stuck there in the first place was because Janeway had never heard of a timer.

[alexmann]

"Worst Case Scenario" was about hte only episode to feature tension between Starfleet and The Maqius and that was only in a holoprogram.

[alexmann]

Apart from that the only Major episode with the Starfleet and Maquis treated seperately was "Caretaker"

[Captain Seafort]

Not quite - there were a few early season episodes that mentioned the difference as well - Parallax and Learning Curve for example. The problem was that such episodes were far to rare, and the "tension" between Starfleet and Maquis was simply dragged up for said episodes, rather than being a constant background as it should have been.

[Mikey]

Don't forget that, regarding said tension, the "show" almost never matched the "tell."

[Captain Seafort]

Don't forget that, regarding said tension, the "show" almost never matched the "tell."

On, the contrary - I think the two matched pretty well. The problem was that neither show nor tell matched either the premise or logic.

[Mikey]

Not that either made sense, but when it was mentioned it was never depicted as it was mentioned.

[alexmann]

I Think there was just too little of it.

[McAvoy]

Generally Voyager always felt to me like they were in out on the fringe of known Fed space as opposed to being on the other side of the galaxy.

Naturally, for money reasons you can't have a ship battered and altered constantly per epsiode. But what I always figured is that you weather the model or figure out some way of having detachable parts of the physical model to simulate damage areas or hastily repaired ones. Figure the way the E-nil looked in ST3. CGI makes this much easier.

The sets could be easier. As more battered they become just add more stuff to it. Solving flashback episodes is don't do them or be creative with the sets.

That's what I always figured. By the time of Endgame, Voyager looks like pure shit and only a step away from being like it was Year of Hell. New alien or developed technology that is visible too.

I think Basics should have been a Maquis episode where fractions take over the ship for the Kazon or Vidiians> Chakotay could have been caught in the middle between Janeway and his Maquis friends. More tension and conflict. Make Paris and Chakotay hate each other and constantly butt heads. Have Janeway don't trust the Maquis that much.

Have a larger crew complement, say 250. Makes it better to kill many people. Pick up aliens along the way as well. Then drop them off. Pick up new ones. Basically have small story arcs and episodes that lead into the next.

Personally I think the Intrepid is a fine ship but should double the length of the nacelles and widen them a bit. Makes the ship a bit more balanced.

[alexmann]

Personally I think the Intrepid is a fine ship but should double the length of the nacelles and widen them a bit. Makes the ship a bit more balanced.

And get rid of the variable geometry!